Talk:Repentance

I know this article is new, so this is more some thoughts rather than criticism. The beginning definition is very direct, and pointed (which is good!), but because it is this way, it deserves a quote that qualifies the statements made. Have any? Jpb (talk) 08:36, 13 February 2006 (PST)

This topic is so varied and muddled in Mormonism that I'm not sure what would help as qualifying? -Aaronshaf 12:42, 13 February 2006 (PST)

Perhaps a statement from Gospel Priciples or True to the Faith - both are considered pretty "official" documents of the church. Something of that sort - maybe even a magazine like Ensign. Jpb (talk) 13:22, 13 February 2006 (PST)

[edit] 2 Nephi 25:23

I'm not sure that I see how this passage is relevant to the Repentance article. Perhaps it could under salvation, or the atonement. What were your thoughts for placing it here? Jpb (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2006 (PST)

The "after all we can do" is equivalent to repentance, I believe, in Mormon theology. -Aaronshaf 19:23, 13 February 2006 (PST)

Ok. How so? I personally understand the "do" aspect of it to be works. Are you simply equating works with repentance? Or are you saying the "do" is repentance and not works? Or are you saying something else? :) Jpb (talk) 21:28, 13 February 2006 (PST)

I'm saying that Mormons fuse the concepts of works ("do"ing) and repentance together. :] -Aaronshaf 21:31, 13 February 2006 (PST)

I would make sure to integrate this (the passage) into the article. Jpb (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2006 (PST)

[edit] Various Mormon views of repentance and forgiveness

	Perfectionism	Common folk view	Neo-orthodoxy
Moroni 10:32
2 Nephi 25:23
What is "all we can do"?	Perfect effort from which flows perfect obedience.	Trying really hard.
What is justification?	"What then is the law of justification? It is simply this: 'All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations (D. & C. 132:7), in which men must abide to be saved and exalted, must be entered into and performed in righteousness so that the Holy Spirit can justify the candidate for salvation in what has been done. (1 Ne. 16:2; Jac. 2:13-14; Alma 41:15; D. & C. 98; 132:1, 62.) An act that is justified by the Spirit is one that is sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise, or in other words, ratified and approved by the Holy Ghost. This law of justification is the provision the Lord has placed in the gospel to assure that no unrighteous performance will be binding on earth and in heaven, and that no person will add to his position or glory in the hereafter by gaining an unearned blessing." - Bruce R. McConkie[1]	"Justification" is essentially absent from Mormon discourse at the lay level.
Is trying sufficient for forgiveness?	No.	Yes.	Yes.
How many steps of repentance must a person accomplish before receiving forgiveness?	All six.
Is perfection attainable in this life?	Yes.	No.	No.
New birth

[edit] Mormon.org on the 6th step

"the process of experiencing sincere regret or sorrow for wrongdoing, confessing one’s sin and asking for forgiveness" [1] (since changed)